Episode 6

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16th Jul 2025

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

Michael and Phebe close out the first half of Season Two of For the Good of the Public podcast with a benediction by Rev. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin, Chief Impact Officer at Christianity Today, Founder and Executive Director of Soulfire International Ministries and founding board member for the Center for Christianity and Public Life. Dr. Nicole talks about hope as a metric for success and the key ingredient for having a peaceful life. Hope is part of our Christian life, and she reminds us through the inspiration of Maya Angelou’s “I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings” why it’s important to have hope in the midst of hopefulness with God’s strength. For the Good of the Public podcast will return with new episodes in September. Please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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“Hope is something that actually makes a difference in our everyday lived realities, and it is something that is cultivated in our communities. It’s cultivated in our churches. It’s cultivated by a faith in the everlasting love and salvation of Jesus Christ. And it’s actually an essential resource for public life.” -Phebe [01:34]


“Nicole is very much someone who embodies our mission, our identity as an organization. She is an incredible leader.” -Michael [02:07]


“The challenge of our faith isn’t just to have hope in good times. The challenge of our faith is how do we have hope when everything around us looks dismal, horrible, hopeless.” -Nicole [11:06]


TIMESTAMPS

[00:00] Intro

[02:54] About Rev. Nicole Massie Martin

[03:33] Habakkuk 3:17-19

[10:06] Hope in absolute chaos

[14:08] It’s our job to see the .1%

[18:50] Shaping us for the call

[26:16] Outro


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Mentioned in this episode:

The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public Life

The Spirit of Our Politics: Spiritual Formation and the Renovation of Public Life

For the Good of the Public Summit 2025

For the Good of the Public Summit '25

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About the Podcast

For the Good of the Public
A podcast from the The Center for Christianity & Public Life
The kind of people we are has much to do with the kind of politics we will have. The Center for Christianity and Public Life's new podcast, hosted by Michael Wear and Phebe Meyer, features hopeful, constructive sessions from our inaugural summit that you won’t hear anywhere else.

Every episode, you’ll learn from respected and influential leaders about some of the most pressing issues facing our society today, and consider what Christian resources might have to offer in light of those challenges, for the good of the public. Look for a new episode every Wednesday this Summer!